Bitcoin Bubble Myth – Debate Excerpts (Joel Bomgar and Chris Hunter)

Published April 28, 2025

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    00:00 ladies and gentlemen bubbles have three
    00:03 characteristics they tend to be a single
    00:06 cycle boom than bust relatively short in
    00:09 duration and crash back down to the
    00:11 Baseline which is either zero or the
    00:14 inflation adjusted place of where they
    00:16 were before the Boom the Dutch tulip
    00:19 Mania was like this so was the housing
    00:21 bubble so was the dot bubble and so was
    00:24 pretty much every other bubble ever so
    00:28 what about Bitcoin well Bitcoin is
    00:29 actually hard to the price Cycles
    00:31 because it’s increased such radically in
    00:33 value over time so we’re going to use a
    00:35 logarithmic scale to look at what it
    00:38 looks like on a price cycle where you go
    00:40 from zero to a dollar then to $10 100
    00:43 it’s called the logarithmic scale which
    00:45 is often used for assets with this level
    00:47 of upside so in the first price cycle
    00:50 Bitcoin went from about 5 cents up to
    00:53 $32 back to $2 now if we were having
    00:56 this debate in 2011 you could be
    00:58 forgiven for believing it two of the
    01:01 three criteria of a bubble except that
    01:03 it landed at a price that was 40 times
    01:06 as high as the five cents that it
    01:08 started at what happened next it didn’t
    01:10 go to zero it went up to $1,200 came
    01:12 back to 92 meeting now none of the
    01:16 criteria of a bubble then what did it do
    01:18 well it zoomed up to $199,000 down to
    01:21 3,200 meeting once again none of the
    01:24 criteria of a bubble 35 times the
    01:27 previous low price then it zoomed up to
    01:31 $69,000 down to $115,000 once again
    01:34 meeting none of the criteria of any
    01:37 historical bubble we have ever seen
    01:40 bubbles look like the bottom left of
    01:42 this chart they do not look like the
    01:44 orange line so what does look like that
    01:47 orange line well it turns out every high
    01:49 value Asset that has ever become a
    01:51 trillion dollar industry or asset looks
    01:53 just like that on a logarithmic chart
    01:55 Apple Amazon Netflix even gold when you
    01:59 zoom out goes through the same pattern
    02:02 and all of these assets do it for the
    02:03 same reason the marketplace is trying to
    02:05 figure out how big of a deal is this
    02:08 asset how big of a deal is this industry
    02:10 and what role will this commodity
    02:12 technology or company impact in the
    02:15 global world bitcoin’s doing the same
    02:18 thing for the very same reason which is
    02:20 the opposite of how any bubble in human
    02:24 history has ever behaved so why is it
    02:27 valuable well for the first time in
    02:30 history we have a borderless predictable
    02:33 and scarce monetary asset so what do I
    02:36 mean borderless because Bitcoin is
    02:39 decentralized it’s not controlled by any
    02:41 country company or anybody and that
    02:44 means Bitcoin is not like Fiat
    02:47 currencies which is nothing but a bunch
    02:49 of fifs all over the world and
    02:51 borderless because you don’t have to
    02:53 have the government’s permission to
    02:54 cross a border with more than
    02:56 $10,000 Bitcoin is a decentralized and
    02:59 borderless currency that is valuable
    03:02 because the world has never had a
    03:04 universal worldwide currency that worked
    03:06 like Bitcoin Bitcoin is also predictable
    03:09 absolutely completely unlike the Federal
    03:12 Reserve where even the experts get it
    03:14 wrong every time and having a money that
    03:16 is absolutely predictable is a very
    03:19 valuable characteristic also Bitcoin is
    03:22 scarce truly scarce there will never be
    03:24 more than 21 million Bitcoin ever as
    03:28 opposed to Fiat which is as in
    03:30 as a politician’s promises so Bitcoin is
    03:34 the first truly scarce currency the
    03:37 world has ever had and that is
    03:39 incredibly valuable so when you sum that
    03:42 up we have a borderless predictable and
    03:44 scarce monetary asset unlike anything
    03:47 the world has ever seen before and it’s
    03:49 doing exactly what you would expect it
    03:51 to do on its way to more than a trillion
    03:53 dollars which is where it is today north
    03:56 of a trillion dollars solving the real
    03:58 world problems of the need for a
    04:00 borderless predictable and scarce
    04:02 monetary asset so is Bitcoin a bubble
    04:05 that is the question and Bitcoin meets
    04:08 none of the criteria of any historical
    04:11 bubble we’ve ever seen in history or is
    04:15 it an ideal monetary asset that just so
    04:17 happens to check every single box for
    04:20 everything you would want for a new
    04:22 monetary system for the world the answer
    04:25 to that question is Bitcoin a bubble is
    04:28 obvious
    04:30 many new technologies throughout the
    04:32 ages have been grossly misunderstood at
    04:34 first humans are not very good at
    04:36 managing change and we tend to mock
    04:38 things that we do not understand let’s
    04:40 look at two historical examples
    04:43 electricity and the internet 1879 Thomas
    04:47 Edison invents the modern electric light
    04:49 bulb and the decades thereafter
    04:51 electricity was ridiculed in the public
    04:54 here we have a cartoon from the late
    04:55 1800s newspaper op EDS of the day called
    04:58 electricity the devil in the wall today
    05:01 nobody would question the utility of
    05:03 electricity for lighting Refrigeration
    05:05 air conditioning to power robots
    05:07 computers machines and more the internet
    05:11 was gifted to us publicly in
    05:13 1983 15 years later in
    05:16 1998 Paul Krugman famously said the
    05:20 internet’s impact on the economy will be
    05:22 no greater than that of the fax machine
    05:24 this Yahoo won a Nobel prize in
    05:26 economics you know what also happens to
    05:28 be 15 years old right now Bitcoin all
    05:32 seminal Technologies throughout human
    05:34 history are only understood properly by
    05:37 the general population in
    05:39 hindsight Bitcoin is one of the most
    05:41 important Technologies ever invented for
    05:44 Humanity on par with fire and the wheel
    05:47 and the printing press and yes
    05:49 electricity and the internet in terms of
    05:51 its import to humanity question 20 years
    05:54 from now this will be obvious to
    05:55 everybody but today let me give you a
    05:57 fundamental framework to help you
    05:59 understand why I know this this with
    06:00 certainty Bitcoin is both an asset and a
    06:04 network simultaneously if you go to your
    06:06 computer you can duplicate many things a
    06:08 favorite photo a file a document you
    06:12 cannot duplicate Bitcoin the asset it is
    06:14 a digital Bearer instrument much the
    06:16 same that dollar bills are physical
    06:18 Bearer instruments so with both Bitcoin
    06:20 and dollars if I give them to you or you
    06:23 take them from me or I misplaced them
    06:25 they are gone that is Bitcoin the asset
    06:27 but at the same time Bitcoin is also a
    06:30 Network this is what is difficult for
    06:31 people to get their heads around we have
    06:33 billions of dollars of Bitcoin miners in
    06:35 other words worldclass data centers
    06:39 powering the most powerful bit or
    06:41 computer network ever seen by history
    06:43 and they are voluntarily running at
    06:45 Great expense the Bitcoin protocol
    06:49 software before we get to that why are
    06:51 they doing this let’s talk about Henry
    06:53 Ford one of the Great American
    06:54 businessmen of all time 1921 New York
    06:57 Tribune top of the fold 103 years ago
    06:59 Henry Ford says if you want to stop all
    07:01 wars you would have a currency based
    07:04 upon kilowatt hours well you know what
    07:06 folks that’s exactly what we have today
    07:08 with Bitcoin Bitcoin miners running the
    07:10 Bitcoin protocol convert electricity
    07:13 into monetary value what is this Bitcoin
    07:15 protocol that I speak of it is free and
    07:17 open source software so it’s very
    07:19 different than software that you would
    07:20 get from say Microsoft or apple that you
    07:22 both have to pay for and is a black box
    07:24 you have no idea how the code works the
    07:26 Bitcoin protocol software by contrast is
    07:28 free for any human being to view audit
    07:31 and use and part of what’s written into
    07:34 the code is a hard cap on Supply no more
    07:37 than 21 million Bitcoin can never be
    07:38 issued absolute scarcity what does this
    07:41 all mean Bitcoin is the most beautiful
    07:43 form of sound money ever invented it is
    07:45 unseizable if you want to be you can
    07:46 truly be your own bank it is
    07:48 uncensorable nobody can stop a Bitcoin
    07:50 transaction unlike Visa or venmo or your
    07:52 bank who can censor any transaction they
    07:54 want and it cannot be inflated away like
    07:57 politicians do with fiat currency
    07:59 because they can never resist the Allure
    08:01 of the Central Bank printing
    08:03 press why is this important 250 years
    08:07 ago our country was founded in part on
    08:08 this notion that we could separate
    08:10 Church from the state with Bitcoin for
    08:12 the first time in human history we had
    08:14 the possibility of separating money from
    08:16 the state and this has profound
    08:18 implications Bitcoin is 15 years old was
    08:20 intentionally launched at the height of
    08:22 the great financial crisis and during
    08:24 the past 15 years with Bitcoin we have
    08:26 been seeing the birth of an entirely new
    08:29 Financial system system with the Bitcoin
    08:30 protocol as the Bas layer last time I
    08:32 checked birth in nature is both volatile
    08:35 and violent it is not a smooth process
    08:37 and so with Bitcoin we see the birthing
    08:39 of this new system expressed in the
    08:41 metric of the old system dollar price
    08:44 it’s gone down 70% or more four times
    08:46 over it’s going up and to the right
    08:47 Forever on our algorithmic scale because
    08:49 it is one of the most important
    08:51 Technologies ever invented for human
    08:53 Freedom Bitcoin is not a bubble with
    08:56 Bitcoin we are seeing the birth of a new
    08:58 system that is critical for human
    09:00 Freedom all right so how do you value
    09:03 Bitcoin we know it’s an ideal monetary
    09:05 system we know it’s not a bubble
    09:06 according to the data but how do we
    09:08 value it well Ark invest and the
    09:11 chartered financial analyst Institute
    09:13 are the two best resources to get
    09:15 exactly what is the right price how do
    09:17 you model it and all of that they put
    09:18 forward four models we have time to look
    09:21 at two Network effects and Market size
    09:23 so meta’s law is how you value something
    09:25 that has Network effects whether it’s a
    09:27 Telegraph telephone the internet
    09:28 anything that becom more valuable when
    09:31 people connect to it and it says the
    09:32 value of a network is proportional to
    09:34 the square of the number of users so as
    09:37 the users go up linearly the value of
    09:39 being on that network with everyone else
    09:41 that’s on there goes exponentially so if
    09:44 Bitcoin has less than 100,000 users in
    09:47 2011 which it did and the price was $1 a
    09:50 coin and the number of users increases
    09:53 to more than 27 million today which it
    09:56 is far in excess of that you would
    09:58 expect when there’s a
    10:00 270x increase in the users for there to
    10:03 be a 74,000 X increase in the value of
    10:06 being part of that Network which is
    10:08 roughly where we are with regard to
    10:10 bitcoin so you again you can square that
    10:13 270x you get 73,000 Xtra you can look at
    10:16 27 million users squared as compared to
    10:18 100,000 users squared so if you don’t
    10:21 like that approach you can also go to
    10:23 Ark invest their 2023 Big Ideas report
    10:26 page 65 and they will lay down in very
    10:30 specific detail exactly how you value
    10:32 Bitcoin exactly where they get those
    10:34 numbers exactly how they come to a price
    10:36 of somewhere between 258,000 and 1.48
    10:39 million in the year 2030 they will
    10:41 answer all of that for you in exactly
    10:43 the detail you want to see it’s all
    10:45 there there are plenty of models online
    10:47 and as far as what makes Bitcoin
    10:48 valuable for the last years everything I
    10:51 buy is with Bitcoin with the coinbase
    10:53 debit card everything and well everybody
    10:55 who’s using US Dollars their money is
    10:57 losing value in the longterm overtime
    10:60 I am using money that is increasing in
    11:02 value over time that is valuable it is
    11:05 an asset it is a network and it is a
    11:08 protocol all at the same time Bitcoin is
    11:10 a public database every transaction is
    11:12 out in the open here’s an analogy for
    11:14 you if I go back to my hotel room and I
    11:16 create an email address Yad yada Gmail
    11:19 and I send you a nasty email from that
    11:21 Gmail address you’re not going to have
    11:22 any idea who came who it came from the
    11:24 FBI can figure out in 28 seconds who
    11:27 sent that email if they want to that I
    11:29 was the generator same thing with
    11:31 Bitcoin it’s a public Ledger it’s the
    11:32 last thing that people will use for
    11:35 nefarious activities that’s what they
    11:36 use dollars for you hear that bitcoin’s
    11:38 not scalable again this is a complete
    11:40 misunderstanding of the technology look
    11:42 at our our banking system we have this
    11:44 thing called the Federal Reserve and
    11:46 dollars get settled at fedwire nobody in
    11:48 this room has access to fedwire most of
    11:50 you probably don’t even know what
    11:51 fedwire is but postor War II we built
    11:54 our banking system in layers we have
    11:57 commercial Banks and then we have things
    11:58 like a and Swift and wire transfers and
    12:02 ATM networks and credit cards and
    12:05 peer-to-peer systems like venmo and
    12:06 PayPal right the internet was built in
    12:08 layers in 1983 if you had the top
    12:10 internet technologist in the world and
    12:12 put them in a room and said show them
    12:14 what the internet today most of them
    12:15 would say not feasible but we
    12:17 bastardized tcpip I say that in a
    12:20 positive fashion in a way where we built
    12:21 LS on it to do things that people never
    12:23 could imagine Bitcoin the Bas layer is
    12:25 fast not slow you need to compare
    12:27 Bitcoin to fedwire right fed wire
    12:30 transactions clear in days I can send a
    12:32 billion dollars around the world in 10
    12:34 minutes right Bitcoin is insanely fast
    12:37 compared to dollars not slow and we’re
    12:39 going to build layers on top of Bitcoin
    12:41 just like we built layers in the
    12:43 commercial banking system for this Brave
    12:45 New World and you want Bitcoin because
    12:47 it’s decentralized and not controlled by
    12:48 the government as we enter a relatively
    12:50 dystopian future thank you would Bitcoin
    12:53 be easier to use for buying and selling
    12:54 if there was no capital gains tax on
    12:56 bitcoin on transactions yes absolutely a
    12:58 lot of people are worried about that
    12:59 coinbase with the coinbase debit card
    13:01 makes it super easy for you because it
    13:02 does it all for you in the background it
    13:04 calculates all of that but yes a lot of
    13:05 people are concerned about that like if
    13:07 I buy something with Bitcoin that’s
    13:09 appreciated do I have to pay taxes on
    13:11 that the answer is yes but somewhere
    13:12 like coinbase does all the work for you
    13:14 and makes it simple but yes and in El
    13:15 Salvador where it is legal tender you
    13:17 don’t have to worry about that or in
    13:18 Prosper where it’s legal tender you
    13:19 don’t have to worry about that darpin at
    13:21 the precursor to the internet was
    13:22 created in the late 1960s the public
    13:24 internet was given us in 1983 1998 15
    13:28 years into the internet everybody
    13:29 thought it was a toy Paul Krugman Nobel
    13:32 prize winning Economist says it’s going
    13:33 to have no utility more so than the fax
    13:35 machine right they were all wrong give
    13:38 it some time it’s going to evolve and
    13:40 that gets back to the final chart that I
    13:41 showed you Bitcoin is emergent it is
    13:44 going to emerge this is what people
    13:46 can’t get their head around into a store
    13:47 of value over time it will further
    13:49 emerge over the decades ahead into a
    13:51 global money the Breakthrough of Bitcoin
    13:53 is digital scarcity we’ve never before
    13:56 had something that was digital that you
    13:58 couldn’t copy paste and make an unlim
    13:59 amount of the fact that we need a
    14:01 monetary system that is digital because
    14:04 things like gold don’t move across space
    14:06 and time and borders fast enough and
    14:08 efficiently enough to be a monetary
    14:10 system for the world and we found that
    14:11 from the past which is why gold got
    14:13 taken away for example so the
    14:15 Breakthrough of blockchain technology
    14:17 which is specific to bitcoin is digital
    14:19 scarcity the ability to have a digital
    14:22 money that you can send anywhere in the
    14:24 world at any time with no ability for
    14:26 anybody to block it or censor it that is
    14:28 a mass massive breakthrough that people
    14:30 have been working on for decades and
    14:32 nobody figured it out until the
    14:34 invention of Bitcoin as far as spending
    14:36 Bitcoin directly again use a coinbase
    14:38 debit card the value is using a currency
    14:41 that the government doesn’t print more
    14:42 of and therefore is not in a constant
    14:45 state of losing value like how insane is
    14:48 it that we have a currency that is
    14:50 supposed to lose 2% of its value every
    14:52 year and generally loses 3 four 5 6 7 8
    14:55 9% they print six to s% more money every
    14:58 single year like it’s insane that we’re
    15:00 expected to use that as money that’s
    15:02 insane Bitcoin fixes that

The full debate was presented at FreedomFest 2024. To see more speeches and sessions from FreedomFest, please visit https://freedomfest.com/civl.

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