Who is SELLING?!? When will they STOP?!?

Published November 21, 2025

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    Who is selling? Why are they selling?
    And when will they stop? With the
    Bitcoin at $89,000 per coin, you’re
    probably thinking the price down here
    this low means someone’s selling. Which
    of course is true. Anytime the price is
    any price, especially when you have
    between 50 billion and 100 billion
    dollars of trading volume on any given
    day, there’s just as many sellers as
    buyers. So, who is sorry, let me say
    that again. There are just as many
    sellers as buyers. So, who is selling
    down here? Well, first of all, let’s
    walk through the criteria of who is not
    selling down here. The people who are
    not selling are people that are high
    conviction, long-term focus, and do not
    have emergency financial needs. So, high
    conviction, long-term focus, no
    emergency financial needs. Um, so those
    people are the reason. And because there
    are more of more of those uh people,
    those are the reasons Bitcoin bottoms at
    certain prices and never goes lower. And
    I’ll walk through in a minute uh who
    those people are. Which means the people
    who are selling are people who are low
    conviction or they are not long-term
    focused or they have a big financial
    need that does not allow them to be high
    conviction long-term focused. So let’s
    talk to through each of those.
    Okay. So, first of all, if you go back
    and look at the history of Bitcoin, you
    can tell when the only people left in
    Bitcoin are high conviction, long-term
    focus with no emergency financial needs.
    And the reason you can tell is because
    those are the people those are the only
    people still holding and buying Bitcoin
    at the point at which Bitcoin’s price
    bottoms. So, if you look at Bitcoin in
    2011, the price ran up to $32 from zero.
    Actually, it stayed around 5 cents for a
    little while. And after it was at 5
    cents for a little while, ran up to $32,
    crashed to $2. Between that $2 and $32,
    there was a lot of people in there that
    had bought because it was going up. They
    were not long-term focused. They were
    not high conviction. And they didn’t
    have emergency financial needs. And so
    they were all excited about number go up
    up up. Maybe it’ll go to $32. Maybe
    it’ll go to infinity. They didn’t know,
    but they were buying. Well, as soon as
    the price started correcting,
    more and more of those people started
    fleeing. They freaked out. They sold.
    They got off the ship, they climbed off
    the train, whatever analogy you want to
    use. And so the price started dropping.
    And as it dropped, more and more and
    more of those people got off the train
    until the price was at $2. See, at $2,
    so many people when it was at 5, there
    was high conviction long-term holders
    without emergency financial needs. When
    it went to $32, it pulled in a lot of
    new people. And a lot of those new
    people over the course of that run
    became high conviction, long-term
    focused without emergency financial
    needs. And so when the price dropped,
    rather than the price dropping to 5
    cents where it was before, the price
    dropped down only to $2 because you had
    all these high conviction, longtime
    preference, no emergency needs people,
    uh, which I’m going to call true
    believers. Although true believers
    doesn’t capture it cuz you can be a true
    believer and still have to sell your
    Bitcoin due to emergency financial needs
    or something like that. So, I’m not sure
    how best to characterize those. Uh uh I
    don’t know, the few, the proud, the
    faithful, the the remnant. [laughter] I
    don’t know, whatever we’re going to call
    those people. Um you know, ride or die.
    Maybe we’ll call those people ride or
    die. So, the only people left are ride
    or die at $2. Okay. Then the price ran
    up to 1,200. from $2. It ran from $2 to
    $1,200 and crashed to $92. Now, between
    $2 and $1,200, the marketplace picked up
    a huge number of, you know, low
    conviction, short-term focused people
    who are eventually going to have
    short-term financial needs, but they
    thought, “Hey, even if I need the money
    in 3 months, I might as well experience
    this incredible upside until I actually
    need this, you know, whatever a month or
    two or three from now.” So, when the
    price hit $1,200, it ran out of those
    new people to push the price higher and
    the price crashed all the way to $92.
    Now, the question is, why did it crash
    to $92 and not $2? Because before that
    price run, before it went from $2 to
    1,200,
    I mean, it it only was, you know,
    holding at $2. So, why did it stop at
    $92? Well, because there was 46 times as
    many people that were ride or die. I
    People are commenting ride or die. I
    like it. Okay, so between uh between $2
    and $1,200, it picked up 46 times as
    many ride or die people. So the price
    couldn’t go back down to $2. It bottomed
    at 90 $92, which was 46 times as high.
    It picked up 46 times as many of those
    people. Then the price went from $92 up
    to what did it go from there? I guess it
    went from 92 up to $19,000 in 2017.
    Crashed to $3,200. And again, why was it
    3,200 instead of 92? Because it picked
    up a ton of new ride or die people in
    that process. And then the price went
    from 3,200 up to well, right now it went
    up from uh oh no, that 3,200 went up to
    69,000 in 2021. 69,000 and then dropped
    15,500. But again, 15,500 is way higher
    than 3,200 because it picked up a bunch
    of ride or die people. And it can’t go
    lower than the ride or die because the
    ride or die will literally spend their
    last penny buying Bitcoin at those cheap
    prices, which is what I was doing in
    2022 and what a bunch of other people
    were doing in 2022, which is why the
    price never went below 15,500.
    So now we’ve gone up to 1,00 sorry,
    126,000, which is just a ridiculously
    large number compared to any of those.
    One second.
    So we go up to 126,000 and now we come
    back down. So clearly in retrospect
    126,000 represented some ride-or- die
    people, but also some people that were
    low conviction, short-term focused and
    had near-term for emergency financial
    needs. Now, how many of those people
    were in that cohort? We don’t know. If
    the price had crashed to $125,000 by
    only $1,000 and then gone up to
    $200,000, we would have said, “Wow,
    turns out there was relatively few of
    those people in.” Well, down here at
    $89,000, it’s clear that we had more
    than we thought. Um, now, how how low
    could the price go? Well, we don’t know
    because we don’t know how many of the
    current Bitcoin holders at $89,000 are
    ride or die, and we don’t know how many
    of those are short-term focused, high
    financial needs, low conviction. We just
    don’t know. Um, the best person in the
    world to predict, you know, to predict
    what that might be is James Czech. So,
    James Czech, my favorite Bitcoin
    analyst, goes by Checkmate. Uh, he has
    the Czech onchain newsletter. I post
    links to his stuff regularly. Uh, he has
    a better idea than literally anybody
    else on the on the in the world because
    he’s tracking the price at which every
    Bitcoin last moved on the Bitcoin
    blockchain. So, you can tell when people
    bought Bitcoin. You don’t know who it
    was. if you don’t know any of the
    circumstances, but you can tell when
    they bought, what price they’re holding
    at. I mean, you can tell a lot of
    variables about the marketplace. So, he
    he’s done run all the math and said,
    “Look, you know, if if you look at all
    of the statistical probabilities based
    on past Bitcoin price cycles and all
    that sort of stuff, you know, you could
    bottom here, but you could also bottom
    somewhere between 75 and $85,000.” Now,
    $85,000 is only $4,000 away. So in on
    the good side of that, he’s saying look,
    the higher end of that is we might only
    drop another 4%. You know, that might be
    the the deepest this Bitcoin bare market
    goes is another 4%. That’s a
    possibility. Maybe it goes to 8,000,
    which is another roughly 9%. I know the
    math is not exactly that. It’s more like
    10 or 11%, whatever, but it’s not that
    much below where we are. So we could go
    down to 75, 80, 85. that pretty much all
    the numbers James Czech has ever talked
    about do not involve Bitcoin going below
    74,000. I mean, that’s just his view is
    it’s like, you know, we’re we’re a we
    just are going to bottom out somewhere
    that’s above that in his opinion. Of
    course, nobody knows. Now, if you could
    go interview every single person who
    holds holds Bitcoin right now, you could
    figure out how low the price is going to
    go because you would figure out what are
    the financial needs of all the Bitcoin
    holders. How many of them have tuition
    payments coming up in the next 30 days,
    60 days, 90 days, how many of them have
    credit cards that are going to need to
    pay paid off, how many of them have down
    payments on houses that are going to
    need to be made. If you could figure out
    in advance everybody’s financial needs,
    then you could figure out how many
    people are going to have to dump their
    Bitcoin over the next day, week, month,
    whatever. Um, and you could figure out
    what percent of all the Bitcoin holders
    were ride or die because the ride or
    dyers are not giving up their Bitcoin no
    matter what, they’ll find a way. Um, so
    or if they are ride or die, but they
    still, you know, have an emergency and a
    kid breaks a leg and they don’t have
    insurance or something like that, you
    know, they’re stuck selling Bitcoin
    regardless. They just don’t have a
    choice. Um, okay. So, so the ride or die
    Bitcoiners are the people who are not
    selling. They’re not selling because
    they are high conviction, long time
    frame, and they do not have any
    near-term emergency financial needs. And
    so, you know, they’ll be fine. All
    right. So, who are the short-term
    holders that are selling right now? The
    short-term holders are the people that
    are the opposite of that. They are, you
    know, low conviction, short-term
    focused, and they have emergency
    financial needs. Now, let’s let’s go in
    reverse order. Emergency financial
    needs. Look, this hits everybody all I
    mean, all the time. You know, a medical
    bill, the car breaks down. I mean,
    people sell Bitcoin because they have to
    because the alternative is they don’t
    have transportation. They can’t fix
    their car. Look, I get it. I mean, I I
    totally understand that uh in in in my
    situation, for example, here’s a good
    example. I’ve got two tuition payments.
    One for my wife’s grad school and one
    for my kids. Uh they’re in a hybrid
    homeschool program and all this sort of
    stuff, but it’s still got tuition. Uh
    anyway, so those those two payments are
    due in the next month or two, but I’ve
    got a settlement on some business stuff
    that’s going to come in that’s going to
    cover that. So, I’m not going to be a
    forced Bitcoin holder or forced Bitcoin
    seller. But if I didn’t if I did not
    have this settlement coming through from
    some business stuff from years ago, um
    then I would I would have to liquidate
    some Bitcoin to pay those two tuition
    payments. But I’m not going to have to.
    So I’m covered. But I could have been a
    force seller. It’s not much. It’s a
    microscopic percentage of my total
    Bitcoin. But again, you get hit with two
    tuition payments. You got to pay them. I
    mean, I’m not going to pull my kids out
    of school and I’m not My wife’s not
    going to quit grad school because
    tuition doesn’t get paid, right? So I’m
    going to pay those tuition payments.
    Thankfully, I will not have to sell
    Bitcoin to do it. But if the
    circumstances were different and I had
    to, that’s totally understandable. So
    when people sell Bitcoin, because they
    have to, I get it. If you’re trying to
    save your house from foreclosure, if
    you’re trying to save your business from
    bankruptcy, do what you got to do. Take
    care of yourself, take care of your
    family, take care of your business, take
    care of your life. I totally get it.
    Totally fine. Okay, so that’s the third
    of the three categories is uh this is
    people who have emergency needs. And as
    the price of Bitcoin hits falls, people
    hit, you know, they get emergency needs.
    those don’t just magically go away. All
    right, next category in reverse order
    are uh short-time horizon people, which
    this some of this is also normal. Uh
    there are businesses that have Bitcoin
    on the balance sheet and they know
    they’re going to need that cash in the
    next 3 to 6 months and as the price
    falls, they look at their expenses and
    they’re like, look, I can’t handle
    another 5%. I can’t handle another 10%.
    So they may be high conviction but they
    have to sell that Bitcoin because they
    can’t afford due to the nature of their
    business and everything else. They can’t
    afford a price correction of of another
    5% or 10%. Um and in that case again I
    get it. I get it. You know life happens.
    You can’t give up on your business. I
    mean maybe you had Bitcoin on your
    balance sheet because you thought hey
    2025 is going to be a great year and
    then it turns out it’s you know the the
    price has not done what you wanted. you
    can’t afford to be down on your Bitcoin
    and you got to sell it. Like that
    happens even for high conviction people.
    I get it. Now, the first category is
    sort of the unforgivable category, which
    is low conviction people. These are
    people who own Bitcoin, but they never
    figured out why they own what they own
    and they let they let go of it very
    quickly. Um, a good example.
    So, I have never been a lowconviction
    Bitcoin holder, but I have been a low
    conviction holder of other assets. So,
    for example, at one time I owned uh
    stock from the Exodus Wallet Company IPO
    in 2021. Their stock uh went public at
    $27 a share. It was not liquid on the
    stock market, but uh it went I bought
    some at $27 a share. Uh ultimately in
    secondary markets it traded as low as
    $2. And then ultimately early either
    late last year or earlier this year it
    finally went up to $30 or $33 a share.
    It was a dollar higher than I paid for
    it and I was like whatever. And I sold
    all of it. It was like $200,000 of of
    that or something like that. So I put it
    in at $200,000 instead of Bitcoin. I
    should have just put more in Bitcoin
    back in 2021. Of course, by the time I
    pull it out, Bitcoin’s up 50%. It’s up
    zero, you know. But I was a low
    conviction holder. I was longtime
    focused. I mean, I was long-term
    focused. I held on to it for more than
    four years. Um, and uh, I did not have
    any emergency financial needs. So, but
    again, I was low conviction and because
    ultimately my thesis of why I bought
    that changed and I came to the
    conclusion that the company was not
    going to do the things I thought they
    had to do that were the reason I
    invested. So, I sold the stock. I was
    also a low conviction holder of Tesla
    earlier this year when I had 99% of my
    uh liquid assets in Bitcoin prior to
    April of this year. I had the last 1% in
    Tesla. Uh but ultimately I was a low
    conviction Tesla holder. I love Tesla. I
    own a Tesla. Uh my very best friend of
    the world is a huge fan of Tesla. Um, I
    mean, just like I got a lot of things
    going for Tesla, but I didn’t My
    conviction in Tesla was lower than
    Bitcoin and ultimately I sold all of
    that Tesla stock lower than the price I
    paid for it. I sold it at a loss so I
    could buy more Bitcoin when Bitcoin do
    dropped into the 70,000s. So, in April
    of this year, even though Tesla was
    down, Bitcoin was more down and I had a
    higher conviction in Bitcoin. So, I sold
    the the Tesla stock at a loss. So, I
    could buy Bitcoin at what I perceived to
    be a deep discount, which was about
    78,000 a coin. So, I I converted that
    Tesla stock to Bitcoin at about a
    Bitcoin price of about 78,000 a coin.
    But again, I took a loss on the Tesla
    stock. I’m not sure if the loss on the
    Tesla stock was larger or smaller than
    the price dip in Bitcoin, but my
    perception was I wanted to own Bitcoin
    rather than Tesla. And so, I was a low
    conviction Tesla holder. So if you’re a
    huge fan of Tesla and you’re and Tes
    back then Tesla stock was dropping and
    you asked why it was like well because
    someone like Joel Bonggar owns it and he
    loves Tesla the car but he’s not as
    committed to Tesla the stock and so when
    I dumped that to buy Bitcoin which was
    one of the reasons in a microscopic way
    that Bitcoin dro you know bottomed at
    $74,000 because people like me were
    dumping Tesla stock to buy more Bitcoin
    at 78,000 and again as the price went
    down people bought more and more and
    more and so it bought them at 74,000
    because people like me wouldn’t let it
    go any lower. And if it had gone too
    much lower, I would have sold the gold
    and silver that I just sold last week to
    buy Bitcoin at $95,000, which I know
    it’s below that. It’s at $89,000 now.
    But I Bitcoin eventually could have
    gotten cheap enough that I would have
    sold that gold and silver back earlier
    this year. Um, but at last, you know,
    earlier this year, I selling the Tesla
    stock was, you know, that’s what I was
    in the mood to do. I had not considered
    the gold and silver. Uh, and if the
    price has gotten cheap enough in
    Bitcoin, maybe I would have, but that
    was just not what I was thinking of
    doing. One second.
    So, once again, I was a low conviction
    Tesla holder. So, if we knew with
    perfect knowledge the mix of low
    conviction and high conviction, the mix
    of long-term versus short-term and the
    mix of who’s going to have an emergency
    situation and who doesn’t, then we could
    figure out what exactly the bottom of
    the Bitcoin price was, and we could
    predict that right now. And then you
    could say, great, I’ll just buy it at
    86,000 or 84,000 or 78,000 or buy it
    right now because now might be the
    cheapest it ever is. Now, statistically,
    it makes sense to buy it right now. I
    mean, you can run all the probabilities
    all day long and it will never
    statistically make more sense for you to
    wait. So, um it’s it’s the equivalent of
    somebody, you know, you do a coin flip
    flip and somebody says, “Look, you give
    me a dollar and I’ll give you $2 75% of
    the time on coin flips.” Well, of
    course, it makes sense to do it at 50%.
    At the 50% mark, it makes sense to give
    somebody a dollar if they give you more
    than $2 if you get a heads. So if they
    say, “Look, give me a dollar and every
    time you flip a heads you get $3.” Well,
    it makes sense to do that all day long
    because your odds are two to one in
    favor of, you know, you get the payout
    is $3 versus losing $1. So it just makes
    sense to do that all day long. The break
    even point would be a dollar in $2 for a
    win. On average, you’re going to win 50%
    of the time on a coin toss. So that’s
    the way Bitcoin is, uh, where the odds
    are always in favor of buying now versus
    waiting. So, even back at $95,000 back
    over the weekend, I ran all the math and
    I said there is no price point lower
    than $95,000. That is statistically
    probable of happening more so than the
    probability of me missing out by not
    buying it. Which is the same right now.
    If somebody said, “Should I buy at
    $89,000 or wait for 88?” I would say,
    “Buy at 80 like right now.” If they were
    like, “Yeah, but what about 82?” I would
    say, “Buy right now.” If they said, “But
    what about 76?” I would say look there
    is no number where the statistical
    probability of missing out is lower than
    the statist statistical probability of
    buying cheap Bitcoin. You cannot
    statistically end up better off by
    buying at a discount. Now back to my
    coin flip. Let’s say I flip a coin and I
    you know somebody flips a coin but they
    don’t show it to me and they say, “Hey,
    do you want to bet on this coin flipped
    for your $3 or the next one?” And I
    would say, “Well, I’ll bet on this one.”
    But what if I get a tales? I get tales
    and I lose. I lose my dollar instead of
    getting $3. And somebody was like,
    “Yeah, aren’t you aren’t aren’t you sad
    you did that?” Like, “Don’t you wish you
    had picked tails or waited for a
    different coin toss?” And I’d be like,
    “No, that’s stupid. I had a 2 to1
    advantage.” Like, you know, two to one,
    I would have won on won that one. It
    makes all the sense in the world. So,
    it’s the same with Bitcoin. Although the
    odds of of buying of now being
    statistically better off as opposed to
    waiting are more like 4:1 to 8:1
    depending on the price you pick, your
    odds of buying now being a better choice
    as compared to your odds of waiting for
    a cheaper price are about between 4:1
    and 8:1 in favor of always buying now.
    So depending on which price you pick
    between 70 thou $75,000
    $70,000 $85,000 depending on which
    number you pick your odds are four to
    eight times worse of actually ending up
    ahead. Now you might get lucky just like
    I might get lucky. I might say double or
    nothing double or nothing 26 different
    times and end up with a ton of money on
    coin flips because I get 25 heads in a
    row. But that doesn’t mean it was smart
    to keep doing that if the odds were
    against me and I kept losing on two to1
    odds against me but I kept doing double
    or nothing like no I mean if the odds
    are in favor of you buying now instead
    of waiting you buy now instead of
    waiting and if somebody gets lucky
    because they waited for $89,000 Bitcoin
    and you didn’t well pat them on the
    head. Good job. But that that
    statistically they still made a dumb
    decision. So, I have no regrets about
    buying $95,000 Bitcoin. Just like I
    would have no regrets about flipping a
    coin if I got $3 if I win. You know,
    heads I get $3, tails I lose. Like, I
    got two to one odds. Like, come on. It
    makes no sense to wait. So, uh that’s
    the way I feel about it. Um you know,
    the marketplace, we don’t know how many
    low conviction, shorttime focus and uh
    people without emer, you know, people
    with emergency meds of some type. We
    don’t know how many of those people are
    still in the market. Maybe it’s zero.
    Maybe the price today is the lowest
    Bitcoin ever goes in all of history.
    James Czech would say, I don’t know,
    maybe not. He would say, look, we don’t
    know. We just know below $95,000. There
    was not a lot of trading activity in the
    80,000s. So, if you’re going into the
    80,000s, you may end up in the lower
    80,000s. Again, statistically, you’re
    still worse off, but you got to prepare
    for that. Nobody knows. Nobody knows.
    Michael Sailor doesn’t know. I just did
    a video where I covered all of the
    prices Michael Sailor spent tens of
    millions of dollars. He spent tens of
    millions of dollars at a 112,000 104,000
    122,000 a coin. Michael Sailor, the
    guy’s got more. He has bought more
    Bitcoin than anyone else on the planet
    by a long shot and he’s buying it at
    every price because he knows nobody
    knows if it’s going to 89,000. And so it
    never makes sense to wait and he knows
    it never makes sense to wait. So,
    everybody who’s smart buys it at
    whatever price they can buy it at. Um,
    now if you’ve got the only caveat I
    would say to that is if somebody said,
    “Okay, Joel, I I’ve you know, I’ve got
    money I need to use on a down payment on
    a house in the next 3 to 6 months. I
    really can’t afford to be down on that.
    So, I’m I’m short-term focused and I’m
    pro, you know, that counts as sort of an
    emergency need. Um, and and on top of
    that, but I’m very high conviction.
    Should I buy now?” And I would be like,
    well, if you can’t afford to be down at
    all, then you really can’t afford to buy
    Bitcoin unless it’s deeply deeply
    discounted. So, for example, I posted on
    Facebook and said, look, how low would
    Bitcoin have to be before I borrowed
    against my Bitcoin to buy more Bitcoin?
    Well, that is a very risky proposition
    because you can get liquidated. Uh, as
    the price falls, you get margin calls.
    that if you can’t make a margin call by
    putting up more collateral, meaning
    sending more Bitcoin to cover your loan,
    then you get liquidated and you lose
    your loan entirely. So, you know, I’ll
    use round numbers. You put up $100,000
    in collateral, you borrow $50,000. As
    the price of Bitcoin falls, you have to
    the 50% ratio starts to shrink. And if
    your loan to value, which starts out at
    50%. If it edges up to 86%, you get
    liquidated and you lose your all all
    your collateral. So for me to do
    something that risky, I would it would
    have to be like 75,000 a coin, 74,000 a
    coin, some something ridiculously low.
    And if somebody said, “Yeah, but now
    you’re waiting.” I’m like, “No, I’m just
    not doing stupid stuff.” You know, as
    long as you’re not doing stupid stuff,
    you should buy right now. If you’re
    going to do really risky stuff like
    borrowing against your Bitcoin to buy
    more Bitcoin, then I would say, well,
    the riskier you’re going out on the risk
    curve now, you have to have not just
    steeply, you know, discounted Bitcoin
    like today, you have to have insanely
    steeply discounted Bitcoin because your
    your margin for error is so tight. So,
    if you know you’re going to need that
    money for a down payment on a house or
    your car is rattling and you know that
    you’re going to have to replace it any
    day now and you said, “Hey, I know I’m
    going to have to replace my car any day
    now, but it’s limping along. Would I buy
    $89,000 Bitcoin when I know I’m going to
    have to liquidated as soon as this car
    won’t start?” I would say, “Well, that’s
    kind of risky. You know, it’s a whole
    lot less risky down in the 70,000s than
    it is in the 80,000s. If you know you’re
    going to have to liquidate and you have
    and you need every penny you currently
    have to buy a new car and you literally
    cannot afford to be even 1% down, then I
    would say, you know, you could still end
    up 1% down. If you’re at 75,000 because
    it drops to 74,000 and that’s more than
    1%. But the probability of that is even
    lower than the probability of going from
    89 to 80 88 for example. Um, so as long
    as you’ve got a, you know, as long as
    you’re planning to hold for the long
    term, you should always buy now
    regardless of the price. If you’re
    planning to do something risky like
    borrowing against your Bitcoin to buy
    more Bitcoin, I would say you really
    need to be at like extreme discounts
    because that is such a risky proposition
    that you’re going to get liquidated and
    lose your collateral. Now, if you’re in
    some somewhere in between, like right
    now at $89,000, if somebody came to me
    and said, “Okay, I want to borrow
    against my 401k to buy Bitcoin.” Uh, I
    would say, “Okay, that’s right on the
    line of what I would do at 89,000.”
    You’re probably right on the line for
    borrowing against a 401k. Now, the
    reason is if you borrow against a 401k,
    you can’t get liquidated. You know, you
    your 401k does not require you to post
    more margin based on the price of
    Bitcoin. So you borrow against your
    401k, you pay yourself back. You have to
    make, you know, interest payments on
    your loan, but you’re effectively paying
    yourself those interest payments to your
    401k. And if you can’t make the interest
    payments, you get p you get charged a
    penalty on the money that you can’t pay
    back. So it’s like a 10% penalty or
    something like that. So if somebody
    said, “I wanted to borrow against my
    401k to buy more Bitcoin.” I would say,
    “All right, $89,000 is probably right on
    the line of where you know the
    riskreward.” At 89, I would say don’t
    borrow against your Bitcoin to buy more
    Bitcoin because bad things happen when
    you do that. It’s just risky. Um, if you
    got a long-term focus, I would say buy
    right now no matter what. Absolutely, no
    matter what. 89,000 is cheap Bitcoin. If
    you’re doing something in between super
    risky, like borrowing against your
    Bitcoin to buy more Bitcoin, which I do
    not recommend you do, period. Um, you’re
    doing something between that risky and
    just buying Bitcoin in your 401k for the
    long haul. Um, then something between
    those two, um, I would say is something
    like borrowing against your Bitcoin to
    buy more Bitcoin. Sorry, no, borrowing
    against your 401k to buy more Bitcoin,
    which again, I’m not saying I recommend.
    I’m just saying if somebody said, Joel,
    I’m going to do it anyway. I’m going to
    I’m going to not take your advice to not
    borrow, you know, to not take out a loan
    to buy Bitcoin. I’m going to do it.
    Like, I’m going to buy Bitcoin with
    borrowed money and it’s going to be
    borrowed from my 401k. At what price
    should I do that? I would say well
    probably 89,000 is probably a break
    break even point because again you’re
    not going to get liquidated and as long
    as you got a long time horizon and as
    long as you know you can make the
    payments on the interest on those
    payments owning $89,000 Bitcoin is a
    pretty great price to own you know own
    Bitcoin. So that’s how I’m thinking
    about things right now. Price could go
    lower if you want to know how low
    Bitcoin’s price might go. The only way
    to get the best intelligence on what the
    price might be uh and how low it might
    go is James check. I’m sorry, you got to
    pay $29 a month for the next month and
    sign up for his newsletter. You get two
    updates a week uh complete with a
    40-minute video plus a an email update
    that takes 10 or 15 minutes to read and
    he outlines all of that. Now, I will
    continue to summarize most of that and
    dump it on Facebook, but I’m never going
    to capture all of the nuance that he
    captures. I mean, there’s no way I can
    do a Facebook video that’s 10 minutes
    long with a summary of what’s in a
    40-minute video plus a 15inute written
    update complete with charts and graphs
    that like I’m never going to capture the
    nuance that he captures uh that you
    would get if you signed up for his $29 a
    month newsletter. Um, but I’ll give you,
    you know, enough to make good actionable
    decisions for free. That’s the benefit
    of me. It’s free, right? You don’t have
    to pay me. Um, so anyway, so I think now
    is a great time to buy Bitcoin. you
    know, if you want to do something
    moderately risky like borrow against a
    401k to buy Bitcoin, I don’t recommend
    that. But at least at these prices, it
    starts to make, you know, sense to do
    that if you’re going to do it anyway. If
    you’re doing anything riskier than that,
    like borrowing against a stock portfolio
    or borrowing against Bitcoin to buy more
    Bitcoin, I would say, uh, I would not do
    that. I would not do that at $89,000.
    I’m sorry. Borrowing against Bitcoin to
    buy more Bitcoin is how a bunch of
    people have ended up upside down on
    their Bitcoin. I mean, it’s just, you
    know, a lot of people have lost a lot of
    Bitcoin by borrowing against Bitcoin to
    buy more Bitcoin. Again, not saying I’d
    never do it. I’m just saying I would not
    do it at $89,000. You’d have to give me
    Bitcoin that was so ridiculously
    discounted that I could not even
    conceive in my mind of the price going
    down to the liquidation level. And I
    don’t know what that is, but you know,
    at $75,000 Bitcoin, I would at least go
    on Leen Ledn, which does Bitcoin loans.
    Strike S R Ike K. Uh they do Bitcoin
    loans, although I don’t think they’re
    available for individuals in
    Mississippi. Uh just for businesses. But
    yeah, you get down to $75,000 Bitcoin,
    I’m at least. and Morpho, you can borrow
    against your Bitcoin even though the
    terms and conditions tell you you should
    not and cannot use your Bitcoin that you
    borrow against uh the money you borrow
    on. Oh, someone just asked, “Did I lose
    my $2?” No, my liquidation price on the
    $2 Morpho loan where I put up $2 of
    collateral and bought one and got $1 of
    extra Bitcoin. $2 of Bitcoin collateral
    to buy $1 of additional Bitcoin. Uh my
    liquidation price is 66,000. So even
    though that loan was taken off taken out
    at I don’t know what it is. I can figure
    out the math. 106,000 110,000 116,000 a
    coin. I don’t know. Um whatever whatever
    the the price was substantially higher
    when I took out that loan on Morpho or
    maybe it was in the 90,000s but
    regardless it was significantly higher
    than it is now. Um, but the liquidation
    price price on that Morpho loan uh on
    Coinbase, which you can borrow up to
    $100,000 against your Bitcoin to buy,
    even though they say you cannot use this
    to buy more Bitcoin, uh, when I actually
    used it to buy more Bitcoin, it let me.
    So anyway, [laughter]
    um, you know, I guess you can use it to
    buy more Bitcoin because it didn’t block
    me when I tried, but the terms and
    conditions say you can’t. Um, but
    anyway, uh, the liquidation price is
    66,000. Now, I don’t think we’re ever
    going to hit 66,000, but I’m not going
    to bet a huge amount of Bitcoin that
    we’re not going to hit it because the
    other thing with uh liquidations is the
    price only has to touch it for a split
    second. So, what if like on this Morpho
    loan, which again, I would never have
    borrowed substantial Bitcoin at the
    price I did because it was higher. I
    mean, I’m telling you the low, you know,
    I’d have to get like 75,000 before I did
    something like that, uh, borrowed
    against Bitcoin to buy Bitcoin. Um, but
    anyway, let’s assume I did. And let’s
    assume or let’s assume the liquidation
    price is 66. I don’t think we’re going
    to hit 66 period. I I would be shocked
    if we hit 66,000. But in order for that
    Morpho loan to get liquidated, it only
    has to hit 66 66,000 for a fraction of a
    second. Literally, the price can pound
    down there for the for a hammer punch
    and I get liquidated and then price
    immediately goes back to 75,000. One
    second later, I’m still liquidated.
    Like, I still lose my $2 of collateral.
    Now, I still own my $1 of Bitcoin that I
    bought at 106,000 or whatever the price
    was when I took out the loan. Um, but
    yeah, suddenly I’m sitting with $1 of
    Bitcoin instead of $2 of Bitcoin. I just
    lost half my Bitcoin. Um, but again, I
    only risked $1 or technically, yeah, I
    guess I risked $1 because I put up $2 of
    collateral and worst case scenario, I
    just keep the $1 I got. But I could I
    could lose $1 that way at 66,000. But
    again, it’s risky because if it touches
    that price point, even for a split
    second, boom, it’s gone. And then
    suddenly you’re like, “But wait, it was
    $75,000 a second ago and now it’s
    $75,000 again. How did I get liquidated
    at 66?” And the answer is because it
    touched 66 for a fraction of a second.
    And a fraction of a second is long
    enough to get liquidated. I mean, if it
    as the price changes in a split second,
    the Morpho protocol is going to
    liquidate your position. Keep your $2 of
    Bitcoin collateral. Boom. you’re done. I
    mean that is how that works. Uh so
    anyway uh but anyway why are people
    selling? Going back to the summary,
    people are selling right now because
    they are some combination of low
    conviction, low uh long, you know,
    short-term focused and they have
    emergency needs to save businesses, save
    houses, foreclosures, stay out of
    bankruptcy, whatever it is. Those people
    are selling and it’s pushing the price
    down. And if we knew how many were left,
    we could tell you how how low the price
    goes. We don’t know how many are left.
    We don’t know how low the price could
    go. Maybe it’s as low as it’s ever going
    to go. We don’t know. The best person to
    know how low it could ever go is James
    Czech uh with the check onchain
    newsletter for $29 a month. You can sign
    up for one month. Then as soon as it’s
    clear that the price has bottomed and
    we’re on the upswing again, you know,
    you can unsubscribe. But, you know,
    within a month or two of that, you’re
    going to want his newsletter for the
    opposite reason, which is, hey, we’re up
    at 150,000. Is this a peak? [laughter]
    you know, at that point, I think we’re
    off to the hundreds of, you know,
    200,000. I don’t know. But if you want
    to know, are we at a top or the top?
    Well, the James Check is also the best
    way to figure that out. So, hopefully
    this has all been helpful. Um, whatever
    happens, I hope it’s quick. I mean, if
    we’re going down to 85,000, 80,000, I
    just want it to be over. Hopefully,
    boom, we go down there, we’re done, we
    come back. Nobody wants to grind around
    at any price. Grinding around is
    exhausting. Um, so maybe we are at the
    bottom. Maybe this video, maybe the
    literal video I’m recording right now,
    maybe this is literally the bottom price
    that Bitcoin will ever hit. Maybe as I’m
    talking, you know, Switzerland is
    announcing that they’re buying huge
    amounts of Bitcoin and the price is
    about to go through the roof and 89,000
    will be the lowest it ever goes. Um,
    anyway, who knows? All right, last
    question here. Uh, Lindy asks, um,
    anyway, I I [clears throat] won’t it’s
    more Bitcoin lending. Uh, I need to go
    read it closely and I don’t want to do
    that live on a video, so I’ll answer
    that separately. Um, anyway, that is
    your update. Even though James Czech
    gives much better updates twice a week,
    you get more frequent updates, just not
    nearly as good from me for free. So,
    that’s your update for today. Hope it
    helps. I’m here to serve. Thanks
    everyone.

**Originally recorded 11/19/25**

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