INTERMEDIATE: 17 questions I took to Satoshi Roundtable in Dubai in 2023

Published March 30, 2025

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    00:01 Hey everyone. Back in 2023, it was
    00:04 either January or February of 2023, I
    00:07 attended the Satoshi Roundt Conference
    00:09 in Dubai. Um I’ve been twice. I think I
    00:12 went once in 2023 and once in 2024. Uh
    00:15 but back in 2023 when I attended um I
    00:18 started before the conference, I made a
    00:21 list of 17 things that I did not yet
    00:24 understand about Bitcoin that I was
    00:26 going to try to get an answer about at
    00:28 the conference. And I got an answer to
    00:30 most of the items, although some of them
    00:32 are, you know, harder to answer. But I
    00:34 figured I would go through those 17
    00:35 because it would give you a sort of a
    00:37 peak into what my mind was uh what was
    00:39 going through my mind back in 2017.
    00:42 Sorry, not 2017. These are 17 questions
    00:44 back in 2023. 2023 uh the 17 questions
    00:48 from 2023 that I had about Bitcoin. And
    00:51 I thought you might have some of the
    00:52 same questions and it might be
    00:54 interesting to uh go through them one by
    00:55 one. So, I’m going to start and just
    00:58 just go through them. And so, question
    00:60 zero, I made a question zero because I
    01:02 thought of this question and I wanted to
    01:03 stick it at the top and I didn’t want to
    01:04 re number them all. So, I guess it’s
    01:05 technically 18 questions, but I’ll I’ll
    01:07 number them uh 0 through 17. Okay,
    01:10 number zero. Uh now, at the time of the
    01:13 conference, the um the price of Bitcoin
    01:16 was between uh
    01:18 22,500 and probably 23,500.
    01:22 So all of these realize are from a a
    01:24 perspective of that you know the price
    01:26 of Bitcoin has roughly tripled sorry not
    01:30 tripled quadrupled it’s roughly
    01:31 quadruple from when I was asking these
    01:33 questions and when I attended this
    01:35 conference okay so again the Bitcoin
    01:37 price was between about 22,000 and
    01:39 23,000 at the time I had these questions
    01:41 and attended the conference. So question
    01:43 zero, will broad will a broad stock
    01:46 market crash drag Bitcoin down to the
    01:48 bottom with it? And has that happened or
    01:50 will it happen? And how does that
    01:52 compare to March of 2020? So the general
    01:55 verdict from that is sure when
    01:57 everybody’s selling everything because
    01:58 everybody’s panicking, it drags the
    02:00 price of Bitcoin and other assets down
    02:02 with it, but it’s temporary and as soon
    02:04 as everybody comes to their senses,
    02:05 Bitcoin bounces back faster than
    02:07 everything else. uh because unlike a lot
    02:09 of the stock market uh bitcoin is not
    02:12 massively overvalued right now whereas
    02:15 most of the stocks and bonds real estate
    02:16 and everything else has uh essentially
    02:19 the prices are stratospheric and at some
    02:21 point if we get a major worldwide
    02:23 recession all of those prices are going
    02:25 to return to something more normal
    02:27 whereas I would argue and so would those
    02:28 at Satoshi round table that bitcoin is
    02:31 significantly undervalued
    02:33 um and therefore um you know it’s going
    02:36 to bounce back quickly and the adoption
    02:37 will continue, which is what happened in
    02:38 March of 2020. It dipped sharply uh in
    02:42 the middle of March of 2020, but
    02:43 ultimately Bitcoin bounced back much
    02:45 faster than everything else and
    02:47 ultimately went on a wild tear from what
    02:50 was it in the dip of 2020. I think
    02:53 Bitcoin got as low as like $4,000. So,
    02:56 it’s up like 20x. So, that’s a lot of
    02:59 percentage points. 2,000% 20 times your
    03:02 money from that dip in 2020. So, that
    03:04 was question zero. All right. Number
    03:06 one. Number one, is Nick Sabo the real
    03:09 Satoshi? Uh, the verdict is no. Um, if
    03:12 you ever go on a who is Satoshi Nakamoto
    03:15 quest, you will eventually come to the
    03:17 conclusion that it’s probably Nick Sabo.
    03:19 And then the more you research, the more
    03:20 you’ll realize it’s not him and that you
    03:23 have no idea who it is. So anyway, uh
    03:25 there’s a recent book called uh
    03:26 Unmasking. I think it’s unmasking Mr.
    03:29 Nakamoto or something like that. Anyway,
    03:31 I did a Facebook post about it. It’s a
    03:33 super comprehensive, insane 15-year
    03:35 journey of somebody doing the most
    03:37 in-depth uh writing and reporting that
    03:40 has ever been done to try to figure out
    03:42 who Satoshi Nakamoto is. They ultimately
    03:44 concluded is not Nick Sabo and that they
    03:47 don’t know and that nobody knows and
    03:49 that may be the case forever. So, I came
    03:51 to the same conclusion as soon when I
    03:53 talked to at the conference. I talked to
    03:55 uh Adam back. I talked to um oh the guy
    03:59 from uh the guy that invented Litecoin
    04:01 was there at the conference. Anyway, a
    04:03 lot of the sort of Bitcoin OGs were
    04:04 there and I I talked to each of them
    04:07 about all these questions and got the
    04:09 you know same conclusion from all of
    04:11 them which is you know it’s not Nick
    04:13 Sabo it’s not Adam Bach. It’s not any of
    04:15 these people. None of these people
    04:16 invented Bitcoin. We just don’t know who
    04:17 invented Bitcoin. Um, so question number
    04:21 two, why 21 million Bitcoin versus 42
    04:24 million or some other even number? And
    04:26 the answer is Satoshi Nakamoto, the
    04:28 inventor of Bitcoin, just picked it. And
    04:30 he picked it based on toting up the
    04:33 total amount of monetary uh supply in
    04:36 the United States and tried to set the
    04:38 price of a Satoshi, the smallest unit of
    04:40 Bitcoin, 1/100 millionth of a Bitcoin at
    04:42 a US cent. Um, now the money supply is
    04:46 much larger now than it was way back
    04:47 then. Um so the price of Bitcoin um even
    04:51 if it gets to uh parody the smallest
    04:53 unit is the same as a cent will still be
    04:56 uh $1 million Bitcoin. Um but it’s uh
    05:00 it’s ultimately uh destined I believe to
    05:02 go far higher than that because that is
    05:04 only the US monetary supply not uh other
    05:07 countries monetary supply anyway. But uh
    05:09 the other thing is there’s a floating
    05:11 point um there there’s some specific
    05:14 amount that if you go above it the math
    05:17 gets much harder to do uh due to
    05:20 floatingoint math in JavaScript and
    05:22 things like that. And so Satoshi both
    05:25 wanted to pick a unit which is 21
    05:27 million subdivisible into 100 million
    05:29 parts each that uh that would roughly be
    05:32 equivalent to all of the uh the sort of
    05:34 the monetary system he was trying to
    05:36 replace. uh but also he was trying to
    05:38 stay below that floating point math uh
    05:41 difficulty that kicked in if you get got
    05:44 above a very specific number which is
    05:46 slightly above 21 million. So it looks
    05:48 like he picked 21 million bitcoin for a
    05:50 combination of that was about the supply
    05:53 that he wanted to pick based on uh his
    05:55 goal to replace the entire financial
    05:57 system and all of the currencies in it.
    06:00 uh combined with the need to make the
    06:02 software easy to develop for people in
    06:04 the future without introducing
    06:06 complexity with regard to floating point
    06:08 math. So that’s why we have 21 million
    06:11 bitcoin. Uh all right. So why eight
    06:13 decimal places versus nine? So each
    06:14 bitcoin is divisible into 100 million
    06:18 units. But that makes it awkward for
    06:20 decimal points because mostly you do
    06:22 decimal points every three numbers
    06:24 instead of every uh two numbers. And
    06:27 there are two reasons for that. One,
    06:29 people hypothesize that he was sort of
    06:31 trying to do it like dollars and cents
    06:33 where this, you know, you basically
    06:35 divide US dollars into thousands,
    06:37 millions, billions, trillions, but
    06:39 ultimately the smallest unit on the end
    06:41 is only two decimal points instead of
    06:44 three, which is there’s not 1,000
    06:46 pennies in a dollar. There’s only a
    06:47 hundred. So, some people hypothesized
    06:49 that the goal was to replicate that
    06:51 where Bitcoin was divisible into 100
    06:53 million. So each bitcoin would be um you
    06:56 know divisible into uh a million units
    06:59 and then further subdivisible into
    07:02 hundreds like the penny. Uh so some
    07:04 people hypothesize that is the reason
    07:06 for that. Uh and then the other is again
    07:08 it goes back to floatingoint math is had
    07:11 there been an extra decimal so that each
    07:14 for example each bitcoin was
    07:15 subdivisible into um instead of 100
    07:18 million a billion for example suddenly
    07:20 that creates complexity with regard to
    07:22 floatingoint math in certain computer
    07:25 programming languages that have a hard
    07:27 time holding numbers that have a more
    07:30 than a certain number of decimals. and
    07:32 he did not want to make he did not want
    07:34 to introduce the possibility that sloppy
    07:36 computer programming in the future would
    07:38 create issues with floatingoint math
    07:40 with JavaScript and things like that. So
    07:42 whichever of those reasons was the case,
    07:45 it resulted in 21 million bitcoins
    07:47 subdivisible into eight decimal places,
    07:50 not nine decimal places. Um, and I think
    07:53 the entire we talk about in terms of
    07:55 Bitcoin right now, I think at some point
    07:57 when each Bitcoin is worth a million
    07:59 dollars per coin, probably everybody
    08:00 will start talking about it in Satoshi’s
    08:02 because at that point at a million
    08:04 dollars per coin, one Satoshi will be
    08:06 equal to one u uh one US penny. And so
    08:10 it’ll be a lot easier to sort of talk
    08:12 about prices as in, you know, something
    08:14 that costs $8 is 8,000 Satoshi’s. Uh but
    08:17 anyway, that probably is not going to
    08:18 happen until Bitcoin uh approaches and
    08:20 subsequently crosses uh $1 million per
    08:23 coin. Okay. Uh number four, again, it
    08:26 started at zero. So technically, this is
    08:28 the fifth question, but the number four
    08:30 um why having a having instead of
    08:32 gradual? So you, Bitcoin could have been
    08:34 set up where instead of the uh supply
    08:37 issuance dropping by 50% every four
    08:39 years, it could have been set up where
    08:41 basically every time a a block is mined
    08:43 every 10 minutes, it microscopically
    08:46 reduces
    08:48 uh the total amount of new Bitcoin. So
    08:50 it’s like okay for for example right now
    08:52 every time you mine a block whoever
    08:54 mines the block gets 3.125 Bitcoin and
    08:56 then you could have set it up that the
    08:58 next block is 3.124 Bitcoin and then
    08:60 it’s 3.123 Bitcoin and instead of it
    09:03 dropping in half every four years um
    09:06 that it’s instead it um it just
    09:09 gradually tapers uh which would have
    09:11 been smoother than just sort of an every
    09:13 four year more of a sort of significant
    09:16 drop. Okay. So people have different
    09:17 opinions on this uh that of of why it
    09:20 was set up this way. The most logical
    09:22 one which is sort of the uh you know
    09:24 what people talk about with uh you know
    09:26 if you hear hoof beatats uh think horses
    09:28 not zebras like what is just the most
    09:30 obvious reason um is the fact that the
    09:33 the uh the computer programming is super
    09:36 simple to do that way. It’s like five
    09:37 lines of code. So to set it up with
    09:39 havingss, it’s literally five. The
    09:41 entire monetary sort of issuance and
    09:44 monetary policy of Bitcoin is literally
    09:47 five lines of code. It’s super simple.
    09:49 It gets a lot more complicated if you
    09:51 set it up where the block reward, which
    09:53 is the amount of Bitcoin that each minor
    09:55 gets every 10 minutes. If it if it
    09:58 gradually tapers off a tiny tiny tiny
    09:60 tiny tiny amount every 10 minutes, that
    10:02 is a lot more complicated to program
    10:04 from a computer science perspective.
    10:06 Other people hypothesized that it was
    10:08 not just due to the simplicity and
    10:10 elegance, but that Satoshi was trying to
    10:13 take a take advantage of what’s called
    10:15 the Gartner hype cycle for technology
    10:17 adoption, which is that it is helpful if
    10:21 periodically to trigger a new wave of
    10:24 adoption on, you know, when you’re
    10:26 starting from zero, you have a supply
    10:28 shock, which means you have something
    10:29 that triggers there being a lot less of
    10:31 whatever it is, thereby triggering a
    10:34 price increase. And the when you add
    10:36 that together uh it triggers adoption
    10:39 obviously because the you know everybody
    10:40 notices the price go is going up. So
    10:42 people are not certain you know was
    10:44 Satoshi Nakamoto trying to leverage the
    10:47 Gartner hype cycle of technology
    10:50 adoption by setting up the havings the
    10:52 way they are which would basically
    10:53 trigger a new wave of adoption every
    10:56 four years based on a supply shock or
    10:58 was he just trying to make the computer
    11:01 science code nice and super simple and
    11:03 elegant? I think it’s probably just the
    11:05 computer science code, but it did have
    11:06 the very helpful effect of making it uh
    11:10 adoption sort of naturally kick off a
    11:12 new cycle. Now, in the current stage of
    11:14 Bitcoin adoption, you don’t need that
    11:15 because it’s already one of the 10
    11:18 largest assets in the entire world and
    11:20 it’s getting adopted organically. But in
    11:22 the early days when nobody knew what
    11:24 Bitcoin was and it was tiny and nobody
    11:26 was sure if it would catch on, it
    11:27 definitely was helpful to have this
    11:29 every four-year supply shock that would
    11:31 basically, you know, force the price to
    11:33 rise based on the decrease in supply and
    11:36 therefore, you know, suddenly everybody
    11:37 would start paying attention to Bitcoin
    11:39 again. Uh, but it was probably just
    11:41 simplicity of computer science code.
    11:43 Okay.
    11:45 Um, oh, and I I talked to a guy that
    11:48 worked for Bitcoin magazine and I asked
    11:49 him all these questions and I said, “If
    11:51 you could change anything about Bitcoin
    11:53 today, would you change anything?” And
    11:54 he said, “No.” This was back in again
    11:56 2023. And I came to the same conclusion
    11:59 after asking all of these questions and
    12:01 originally thinking surely there’s a way
    12:03 to improve Bitcoin somehow. Um, I
    12:06 ultimately came to the conclusion that
    12:07 there is not. And if somebody handed me
    12:08 a magic wand literally today and said,
    12:12 “You can go back to the very beginning
    12:13 and change one thing about Bitcoin,” I
    12:16 would literally change absolutely
    12:18 nothing about Bitcoin. There is nothing
    12:20 you can possibly change about Bitcoin
    12:22 that does not make some other aspect of
    12:24 Bitcoin worse. Um, and so it’s basically
    12:27 perfect in its original design. And all
    12:30 of my research had led has led me to
    12:32 believe that any change to Bitcoin would
    12:34 make it worse, not better. and therefore
    12:36 it’s as perfect as it could be from the
    12:38 start which is pretty incredible. So
    12:39 anyway, uh is the heart hype cycle
    12:42 accurate? Uh the answer is yes, but
    12:44 eventually uh it will not be relevant
    12:46 anymore. If you want to understand the
    12:48 Gartner hype cycle of technology
    12:49 adoption, read VJ Buaat’s book, The
    12:53 Bullish Case for Bitcoin. That book
    12:55 again is the bullish b L I case for
    12:60 Bitcoin. Fantastic book. it uh it
    13:02 explains how technologies are adopted,
    13:05 why Bitcoin’s price does what it does,
    13:06 and once you understand why the B price
    13:10 of Bitcoin behaves the way it does,
    13:11 it’ll make you much more comfortable
    13:12 with it as an asset class. Um but
    13:14 anyway, but over time, the Bitcoin
    13:16 havingss have less and less effect with
    13:19 each uh having that doesn’t mean there
    13:21 will not be hype cycles. It just means
    13:23 less and less they will be triggered by
    13:26 Bitcoin havingss. Okay. So,
    13:29 um what explains the ups and downs of
    13:32 the price of Bitcoin? Uh the short take
    13:34 is in the near term, it’s uh uh it’s
    13:37 basically the same thing. It’s supply
    13:38 and demand that affect every other
    13:40 asset, which is people one day they
    13:42 think Bitcoin’s taking over the world
    13:43 tomorrow. The next day they think it’s
    13:45 never going to happen. Everybody’s
    13:46 speculating all the time. Everybody’s
    13:48 guessing what everybody else is going to
    13:49 do all the time. And everybody is, you
    13:52 know, buying or selling Bitcoin based on
    13:53 every random bit of news. and it just
    13:55 results in a you know short term a lot
    13:57 of volatility long-term all of that
    13:59 volatility goes away uh as the asset
    14:02 gets bigger and bigger and bigger and uh
    14:04 but anyway so in the long terms it’s uh
    14:07 it’s driven by the Gartner hype cycle
    14:09 although again that is diminishing with
    14:10 time in the short term it’s just supply
    14:12 and demand doing its thing which is just
    14:15 that’s what happens with any asset um
    14:17 you know it’s the same reason major
    14:19 stocks uh the you know magnificent seven
    14:21 stocks go up and down on a daily basis
    14:23 even when there’s literally nothing in
    14:25 the news about them. I mean, it’s just
    14:27 they’re just going up and down because
    14:29 everybody’s speculating on what might
    14:30 happen in the future and all this stuff.
    14:32 Um, okay. Next up, we got
    14:35 um what about Fed Federal Reserve
    14:38 monetary policy? Yes. So, the biggest
    14:40 correlary in Bitcoin uh what Bitcoin
    14:44 correlates to more than any other thing
    14:47 is the Federal Reserve monetary policy.
    14:50 How loose or tight is the Federal
    14:52 Reserve? basically where are they on the
    14:54 spectrum between printing insane amounts
    14:57 of money to just printing a little
    14:59 amount of money and that goes up and
    15:00 down as they’re trying to contain
    15:02 inflation which is entirely caused by
    15:04 the Federal Reserve printing money. So
    15:06 they print money, it creates inflation,
    15:08 then they try to rein it in by easing
    15:11 off of that. And so uh Bitcoin is
    15:13 correlated to global liquidity, meaning
    15:17 how much money the central banks are
    15:18 printing out of thin air more so than
    15:20 anything else. And uh right now the
    15:23 central banks are just ending a
    15:25 tightening cycle where they are they are
    15:27 trying to suck money out of the economy
    15:29 by offering people uh high interest
    15:31 rates which is one of the ways they do
    15:33 it. They offer very high interest rates
    15:34 which encourages people to put money in
    15:37 certificates of deposit or store it at a
    15:38 bank account where they can get uh
    15:40 interest and then eventually uh stuff
    15:43 starts crashing because everything in
    15:45 our economy is built on debt and as
    15:48 everything starts crashing they have to
    15:50 uh print a bunch more money to keep
    15:51 everything from crashing. So um uh Lynn
    15:54 Alden and who was it? It was Lynn Alden
    15:57 and Natalie Brunell’s husband uh Sam
    15:59 Callahan. So I think Lynn Alden and Sam
    16:02 Callahan did a comprehensive report on
    16:04 how correlated uh Bitcoin’s price is to
    16:08 global liquidity and found that
    16:10 basically it’s one of the highest
    16:11 correlations that Bitcoin has to
    16:13 anything is global liquidity. Um so as a
    16:17 result of that obviously um you know
    16:20 it’s worth paying attention to that and
    16:22 right now we’re just getting to the
    16:23 point in uh the cycle and of things
    16:26 where the Federal Reserve and national
    16:30 uh you know uh central banks around the
    16:32 world are starting to crank out huge
    16:34 amounts of free money out of thin air.
    16:37 Um which should correlate again to a
    16:39 significant price rise uh with Bitcoin.
    16:41 Okay, let’s see next up here. What about
    16:45 inflation and being ahead hedge against
    16:46 inflation? So Parker Lewis does a really
    16:49 good job of explaining there’s a number
    16:50 of talks he’s given where he says look
    16:53 um Bitcoin is not a hedge against
    16:54 inflation. Bitcoin is a solution to
    16:57 inflation. And he explains what that
    16:58 means. I’m not going to go through all
    16:59 of it other than to say
    17:02 um sorry other than to say the um the
    17:07 price of Bitcoin is much more correlated
    17:09 to global liquidity than it is to
    17:11 inflation. Inflation is a lagging
    17:14 indicator. When the central banks of the
    17:16 world, including the Federal Reserve,
    17:18 print a ton of money, that later shows
    17:20 up in this form of inflation. So, but
    17:23 the price of Bitcoin rises as a result
    17:26 of printing a huge amount of money. And
    17:27 then when the Federal Reserve and other
    17:29 central banks clamp down on the printing
    17:31 of money, Bitcoin’s price tends to fall.
    17:34 But it tends to fall right at the time
    17:36 that the inflation that is caused by all
    17:38 that money printing is showing up. So
    17:41 often times people are like, “But wait,
    17:43 we’re getting record high inflation in
    17:44 2022 and the price of Bitcoin is
    17:46 falling. How can Bitcoin be a hedge
    17:48 against inflation if the price of
    17:50 Bitcoin is falling? Uh, you know, the
    17:52 price of Bitcoin is falling even though
    17:54 inflation is rising.” And the answer is
    17:55 because Bitcoin’s price was rising when
    17:58 the Fed was printing tons of money. And
    18:00 then it starts falling when the central
    18:02 banks are trying to suck money out of
    18:04 the economy, which again sucks money out
    18:06 of everything, including Bitcoin,
    18:07 because they start offering ridiculously
    18:09 high interest rates in order for people
    18:11 to take their money out of the economy
    18:13 and put it in uh certificates of deposit
    18:15 or for the uh uh banks to store their
    18:18 money at the central bank and they get
    18:20 paid interest to do that. Um so but if
    18:23 again if you want more detail uh read
    18:25 Parker Lewis’s work on why uh Bitcoin is
    18:28 a solution to inflation not a hedge
    18:31 against inflation and he explains what
    18:33 he means by that uh and all of that
    18:35 which again is probably warrants its own
    18:36 video but I don’t have time to do that
    18:38 right now.
    18:39 Okay. Um why is Bitcoin so correlated
    18:43 with the NASDAQ and not the NASDAQ stock
    18:46 and other tech stock markets? Uh the
    18:48 answer is because in the short term
    18:50 people think of Bitcoin like a
    18:52 technology stock rather than a new form
    18:54 of money. At least some of them do. And
    18:57 so speculators and tourists who own
    19:01 Bitcoin and don’t understand what they
    19:02 own and they’re not sure basically they
    19:04 trade it like a stock even though it
    19:05 makes no sense to do that. But that does
    19:07 make the price go up and down. Over
    19:09 time, Bitcoin has gotten significantly
    19:11 less correlated to the NASDAQ and it’s
    19:14 much less correlated now than back when
    19:16 I uh wrote this question down. And so
    19:19 you right now it it’s you know less
    19:22 correlated and in the in the future it
    19:24 will probably be inversely correlated
    19:26 meaning um when everybody is scared they
    19:29 will run to Bitcoin and when they want
    19:31 to speculate on crazy stuff they will go
    19:33 from Bitcoin into the crazy world of
    19:35 speculating on whatever and then as soon
    19:37 as they freak out again they’ll run back
    19:39 to Bitcoin. But right now the reverse is
    19:41 happening where people are still acting
    19:43 like Bitcoin is some sort of a
    19:44 technology stock and they’re you know
    19:46 buying and selling it accordingly at
    19:48 least to some degree. Okay, next
    19:51 question. What is the upper one
    19:54 second? What is the upper price limit
    19:56 base money or beyond? Okay, so there’s
    19:58 this con uh there’s concept of base
    20:00 money which is tracked by uh porkopoulos
    20:03 which is a Twitter handle. I forget the
    20:06 guy’s name. It’s Matthew something, but
    20:07 anyway, it’s porkopoulos. But anyway, he
    20:09 tracks worldwide base money and the base
    20:12 money, the last I can remember, is 25 or
    20:14 $30 trillion. And then there the M2
    20:17 money supply is like $120 trillion. Um,
    20:20 so since that question, Michael Sailor
    20:23 and a lot of people have done a bunch of
    20:24 research that basically says, look, the
    20:26 market for Bitcoin is not the world’s
    20:30 money supply because people don’t use
    20:32 the the money in the world the way they
    20:34 should. They basically only use money
    20:36 for short-term stuff because central
    20:39 banks are constantly printing more of
    20:40 it. So they store their wealth in things
    20:42 like real estate or the S&P 500, the
    20:45 stock market, NASDAQ, all that. Um so
    20:47 but ultimately uh since then the the the
    20:51 better estimates are uh for example the
    20:53 research Michael Sailor’s done which he
    20:55 uh I forget the website he publishes it
    20:57 all on but it estimates sort of a base
    20:59 case of Bitcoin at $3 million per coin
    21:01 and a more aggressive case at $13
    21:04 million per coin and he’s got all of the
    21:06 reasons behind that. Uh the easiest case
    21:09 to make is Bitcoin as digital gold.
    21:11 Gold, all of the gold in the world right
    21:12 now is worth about $20 trillion. And all
    21:16 of the Bitcoin in the world is only
    21:17 worth $1.6 trillion. So whatever that
    21:20 is, 13 14x whatever a million divided by
    21:24 or 20 billion, you know, 20 trillion
    21:26 divided by 1.6 trillion. Anyway,
    21:28 whatever that number is, that is uh
    21:30 there’s a bunch of, you know, multiples
    21:32 of significantly above 10x, something
    21:34 like, you know, whatever 13 14x just for
    21:37 Bitcoin to get to the size of the gold
    21:39 market. And most people believe that’s
    21:42 sort of the starting point. So, let’s
    21:44 call it $1 million per coin is sort of
    21:46 the base case where Bitcoin has reached
    21:48 parody with gold. And at that point,
    21:50 it’s a discussion of how much better is
    21:52 Bitcoin than gold. I would argue
    21:53 Bitcoin’s a lot better than gold. Uh but
    21:56 how much better, you know, people
    21:57 debate. Okay, next
    21:59 up, why
    22:02 is the depth chart so symmetrical? I’m
    22:05 not going to go into that one cuz it’s
    22:07 complicated. But if you uh turn on in
    22:09 Coinbase Advanced, the depth chart, um
    22:12 the sell side and the buy side tend to
    22:15 be relatively symmetrical. Meaning the
    22:17 number of people that want to sell at
    22:19 $1,000 above its current price tends to
    22:22 look similar to the number of people
    22:23 that want to buy $1,000 below its
    22:25 current price. And it just did not seem
    22:28 logical to me that that would be very
    22:29 symmetrical, but oftentimes it is
    22:30 symmetrical. Um I don’t have a good
    22:32 answer to that other than um the
    22:35 behavior patterns of humans tends to be
    22:37 similar whether they’re buying or
    22:38 selling and therefore the people who are
    22:40 willing to buy or sell at a given price
    22:43 uh above or below the current price of
    22:44 an asset tends to look relatively simple
    22:48 or similar when you graph it out which
    22:50 is what a depth chart does.
    22:53 Okay.
    22:55 Um, okay. So, at the time, um, I had
    22:59 about 60%, this is, uh, again, this is
    23:02 January or February of 2023. So, about 2
    23:05 years ago since it’s well, a little more
    23:07 than 2 years ago. I think it was
    23:08 February. So, this was uh, yeah, it was
    23:10 definitely February. from February of
    23:12 2023 to March of 2025, two years, a
    23:16 little over two years, uh, Bitcoin has
    23:17 gone from either 22,000 or 23,000 uh, at
    23:21 the time of this conference up to
    23:24 $82,000. So 22,000 to 82,000. Big big
    23:28 jump. Um, and my question was at the
    23:30 time I had about 60% 60% of my liquid
    23:34 net worth in Bitcoin. And my question is
    23:36 when should I put the other 40% in? And
    23:38 basically everybody was like, well now,
    23:40 of course, like why are you even
    23:41 thinking about it? But again, you know,
    23:43 I was newer to Bitcoin two years ago
    23:45 than I am now. And it’s still I was
    23:48 still figuring it all out and everything
    23:49 like that. So ultimately between that
    23:52 conference in February of 2023, uh after
    23:55 uh Silicon Valley Bank and uh Silvergate
    23:58 and whichever the third one was, the
    24:00 three banks that got took over, two of
    24:03 them got assassinated. One of them
    24:04 actually uh went bankrupt. So, three big
    24:07 banks went bankrupt or sorry, one of
    24:09 them went bankrupt in March of 2023. The
    24:11 other two were assassinated by the
    24:13 government in 2023 and ultimately it it
    24:16 turned out that they were solvent and
    24:17 the government never should have taken
    24:18 them over but the government took them
    24:20 over anyway because they were banking
    24:21 the cryptocurrency industry. And so the
    24:24 government at the time, the Biden
    24:26 administration did not like the
    24:27 cryptocurrency industry. And so because
    24:29 those banks were banking crypto
    24:31 companies, they assassinated them bas
    24:34 basically they p pulled the plug on them
    24:35 and forced them into bankruptcy even
    24:37 though they had money and were solvent.
    24:39 U but anyway after that happened I
    24:41 ratcheted up from 60% to 80% because um
    24:45 nobody blamed that on Bitcoin. Obviously
    24:47 it had nothing to do with Bitcoin but I
    24:49 was concerned people would try to pin it
    24:50 on Bitcoin anyway. But that did not
    24:52 happen which gave me a lot of confidence
    24:54 and Bitcoin went up rather than down
    24:57 after those three banks uh were either
    25:00 bankrupted or forced into bankruptcy and
    25:03 that gave me a lot of confidence that
    25:05 you know when the financial system
    25:06 became unstable people would run to
    25:09 Bitcoin not away from it because that’s
    25:10 what happened. So I ratcheted up my
    25:12 Bitcoin from 60% to 80% uh as a result
    25:16 of attending the Satoshi roundt in
    25:19 February of 2023 and then subsequently
    25:22 watching things unfold with regard to uh
    25:24 the banks that uh blew up or were taken
    25:27 over in March of 2023. I ratcheted it
    25:30 from 60% to 80% and then ultimately
    25:33 later I think in you know April or May I
    25:35 ratcheted it to like 87% and then I
    25:39 ratcheted you know over the next year or
    25:41 so up to 97% which I stayed at a while
    25:44 and then earlier this year uh in the
    25:47 last month or two I ratcheted up to 99%
    25:50 of my liquid net worth. So right now I
    25:52 have 99% of all of the liquid assets
    25:55 that I own or control are invested in
    25:58 Bitcoin and the other less than 1% is
    26:01 mostly in Tesla uh to give me some
    26:03 diversification. If you consider more
    26:06 than 99% Bitcoin and less than 1% Tesla
    26:08 to be diversification. Um I just want
    26:11 something that I’m not going to have
    26:12 heartburn if I have to sell it. And even
    26:14 though I love Tesla, uh it does not give
    26:16 me the same heartburn to sell Tesla
    26:18 stock that it would to sell Bitcoin. So
    26:20 by having a emergency reserve fund in
    26:23 Tesla, even though Tesla is even more
    26:25 Tesla has in my opinion higher risk and
    26:28 lower upside than Bitcoin, it still does
    26:30 not give me the same heartburn to sell
    26:32 it uh in an emergency as Bitcoin.
    26:35 Although at some point I might just dump
    26:36 the Tesla stock and go 100% Bitcoin, but
    26:39 right now I’m above 99% Bitcoin. But at
    26:41 the time I was at 60% and I was asking
    26:44 that question and the best thing I could
    26:45 have done is buy as much Bitcoin as I
    26:48 possibly could right then. But like
    26:50 everyone, I wanted to get comfortable. I
    26:51 wanted to give it time. I wanted to do
    26:53 more research. And so, um, while I did
    26:55 buy a substantial amount of Bitcoin, I
    26:57 think the Bitcoin when I went from 60%
    26:59 to 80% of my liquid net worth in
    27:01 Bitcoin, it was in the mid to high
    27:03 20,000s. So, it was a a couple months
    27:05 after Satoshi round table, so the price
    27:07 had risen from 22 or 23,000 up to like
    27:11 26 to 28,000. uh when I dumped in
    27:15 another 20% of my liquid net worth. And
    27:17 then again, I did the same thing in the
    27:20 40,000s, 50,000, 60,000, 70,000s, and
    27:23 I’ve even bought Bitcoin above 100,000.
    27:26 So, never a bad time to buy Bitcoin. All
    27:28 right, so um next up, question 13. It’s
    27:32 really 14, but I started at question
    27:33 zero, so number 13. Uh what is your seed
    27:37 phrase storage advice? split the seed
    27:39 phrase or what is the best approach if
    27:42 you have multiple hardware wallets etc
    27:44 etc uh this was before the invention of
    27:46 bit key uh bit key bit ke.world world uh
    27:50 solved all of the problems related to
    27:52 seed phrases. So the questions that I
    27:54 was asking related to Bitcoin storage
    27:56 and best practices on seed phrase
    27:58 storage and all of that all of the
    27:60 questions I was asking related to that
    28:02 became obsolete as soon as the Bitkey
    28:05 amazing Bitcoin storage device was
    28:07 released which solved all of those
    28:08 problems without you the user having to
    28:11 mess with seed phrases which is a
    28:13 miracle and the way they did it is truly
    28:15 incredible. So um that that question
    28:18 became obsolete. Okay. Question 14. Uh
    28:21 at the time the uh the the main storage
    28:24 or sorry the the the same the main
    28:27 services out there because Bitkey did
    28:28 not exist were Casa CSA Unchained
    28:32 Capital and Zapo Bank. Uh and I was
    28:35 asking questions about those three.
    28:36 Ultimately Zapo Bank does not allow or
    28:39 did not at the time allow US citizens to
    28:40 have an account. So I could not use that
    28:42 anyway. And the verdict from everybody
    28:44 was Unchained capital is the a good
    28:48 solution for cheap, but Casa is the gold
    28:50 standard and more expensive. Um, so
    28:53 anyway, so that was the what I took away
    28:56 from that was for people with lots of
    28:57 Bitcoin that need a sophisticated setup,
    29:00 a three of five multi- signature setup,
    29:03 uh, the best place to get that was Casa
    29:05 Cassa. But again, Bit Key uh, solved
    29:09 that problem. Okay.
    29:12 Uh question let’s
    29:15 see 15. Okay 15. What happens when two
    29:19 valid transactions both hit the minimool
    29:20 at the same time? Uh the answer is every
    29:23 Bitcoin node is going to share every
    29:24 valid transaction it hears about with
    29:26 every other uh Bitcoin node it’s aware
    29:28 of and then the Bitcoin miners are going
    29:31 to start mining on whichever block they
    29:33 hear about first. So if two valid
    29:35 transactions that uh you know that uh
    29:39 spend the same bitcoin which is called a
    29:41 double spend uh for example I if I um if
    29:46 I tried to spend the same bitcoin let’s
    29:49 say I’m sitting in Thailand and I also
    29:52 am spending the same bitcoin in the
    29:53 United States. question is what happens
    29:55 because the memp pools on the Bitcoin
    29:58 nodes in Asia are going to see one
    29:60 transaction and the the memp pools on
    30:02 the Bitcoin nodes in the United States
    30:04 are going to see a different transaction
    30:05 and each of those transactions are going
    30:07 to try to spend the same bitcoin. The
    30:09 answer is only one of those transactions
    30:11 is going to get confirmed on the
    30:12 blockchain. So every 10 minutes a
    30:14 bitcoin block is mined and that is how
    30:16 you know the official record of truth in
    30:18 the bitcoin network. So if somebody
    30:20 tries to uh do a double spend like that
    30:24 uh it will get rejected because uh the
    30:26 next Bitcoin block to get mined uh will
    30:30 only have one of those two transactions
    30:31 in it because the the rules of the
    30:33 Bitcoin network state obviously that you
    30:35 can’t spend the same Bitcoin on two two
    30:38 different things simultaneously. So
    30:39 that’s why um anytime you spend a lot of
    30:41 bitcoin on something, it’s good to wait
    30:43 until after it is confirmed in a bitcoin
    30:46 block and things like the bitcoin
    30:48 lightning network which was much more
    30:50 used for spending of like buying a cup
    30:52 of coffee. Uh they work in a different
    30:54 way that does not require that. But the
    30:55 short take is every mempool is going to
    30:58 uh take whichever transaction it hears
    30:60 about first. There’s something called
    31:01 RBF replaced by fee. And so if a uh you
    31:05 can escalate if you want a Bitcoin
    31:07 transaction, you can uh push through a
    31:09 higher fee of a Bitcoin transaction to
    31:11 speed it up. Uh but again, none of that
    31:13 is really relevant nowadays. Um because
    31:16 you know, everybody uses the lightning
    31:17 network to pay for stuff, not Bitcoin
    31:19 onchain. So super technical. If you want
    31:21 more details, let me know. But it’s not
    31:23 really relevant, but it was just a wonky
    31:25 techy question I had. All right, number
    31:28 16. What does the Bitcoin lightning
    31:30 network or other payment methods allow?
    31:32 Do they allow contactless payments like
    31:34 I can do already with my Apple Watch
    31:35 with the Coinbased debit card? Uh the
    31:37 answer is all of those technologies are
    31:39 compatible with contactless payments,
    31:41 meaning one day you will be able to pay
    31:43 with the lightning network or anything
    31:46 else using your contactless payments.
    31:49 You know, tapping your phone, tapping
    31:50 your watch, whatever. But um a lot of
    31:53 that payment technology and the payment
    31:55 terminals that would support it are not
    31:57 uh there yet. Uh so in the in the mean
    32:00 or in the near term I buy everything
    32:02 with a Coinbase debit card which uses
    32:04 the Visa network. In the future the
    32:06 payment terminals and everything will be
    32:07 updated to support the Bitcoin lightning
    32:09 network and you’ll be able to natively
    32:12 uh transact with Bitcoin. Um and you
    32:14 won’t have to use the Visa network. But
    32:17 uh all of that technology can be used
    32:18 with contactless payments. uh it for the
    32:21 most part is not yet because it just has
    32:23 not been implemented by Google and Apple
    32:26 into their contactless payment which
    32:27 uses NFC near field communication NFC
    32:30 technology. Okay, next up uh question
    32:34 is last one here. Question 17. How does
    32:39 difficulty being 40 trillion transa how
    32:42 does a difficulty adjustment of 40
    32:43 trillion translate into a much higher
    32:45 hash rate than that on the Bitcoin
    32:48 network? Okay, this is a complicated
    32:50 one. So, not sure you want the answer to
    32:53 this, but so when Bitcoin was set up
    32:56 originally, Satoshi Nakamoto chose a
    32:59 difficulty adjustment of one. One means
    33:03 that a Bitcoin miner will find a valid
    33:05 block every uh 4.3 billion tries. Uh so,
    33:10 a difficulty adjustment of one means
    33:12 every 4.3 billion tries, which is uh two
    33:15 to the something power. I guess it’s I
    33:18 forget what it is. 2 to the 32nd power,
    33:20 maybe something like that. Anyway, it
    33:22 it’s it’s the same with the uh it’s the
    33:24 same number of bits as the um the check
    33:28 sum. Basically, if you mistype a Bitcoin
    33:30 address, there is a 1 in4.3 billion
    33:33 chance that it’s valid, but you typed it
    33:36 wrong, but it’s still valid. It’s uh the
    33:38 check sum checks for that. But anyway,
    33:39 uh so the same number of bits is the
    33:41 same uh for the difficulty adjustment.
    33:43 Again, it means you’re going to find a
    33:45 Bitcoin block out of one one of out of
    33:47 every 4.3 billion tries. So, um, in the
    33:51 early days, he determined that with the
    33:52 number of people on the Bitcoin network,
    33:54 that would be about every 10 minutes.
    33:55 And he needed a difficulty adjustment.
    33:57 So, the hash rate is, uh, the hash rate
    34:01 is how much total computational power is
    34:04 being applied to the Bitcoin network. Um
    34:06 there is some complicated mathematical
    34:08 correlation between the two because when
    34:11 you increase the difficulty adjustment
    34:13 uh it you obviously have to the hash
    34:16 rate let me put it this way the hash
    34:18 rate is going to determine the
    34:19 difficulty adjustment. So the difficulty
    34:20 adjustment goes up and down depending on
    34:22 how much hash rate is on the Bitcoin
    34:25 network. So the last time I checked uh
    34:27 the difficulty adjustment was 112
    34:29 trillion. Uh now to again by to to to
    34:33 run the math out there uh a difficulty
    34:35 adjustment of one means one every 4.3
    34:37 billion. So a difficulty adjustment of
    34:40 112 trillion means the number of
    34:42 computations you have to try before
    34:44 mining a block is 112 trillion times 4.3
    34:49 billion because each increment of the
    34:51 difficulty adjustment represents an
    34:53 increase of 4.3 billion additional
    34:55 tries. So um at the time I was uh doing
    34:59 this or asking this question two years
    35:01 ago uh the difficulty adjustment was at
    35:04 40 trillion. Now it is more than 2 and
    35:07 1/2 times as difficult to mine a Bitcoin
    35:09 block as it was 2 years ago because back
    35:12 when I wrote this the difficulty
    35:14 adjustment of 40 trillion meant you had
    35:16 to try 40 trillion times 4.3 billion.
    35:19 Now you have to try 112 trillion * 4.3
    35:23 billion. So, the difficulty adjustment
    35:25 has increased from 40 trillion to 112
    35:28 trillion. Uh, that’s what it was 2 weeks
    35:30 ago. I didn’t I haven’t looked. It’s up
    35:32 or down a little from there, but it’s
    35:33 probably in the ballpark of 112
    35:35 trillion. But the short take is if you
    35:37 want to know how the difficulty
    35:39 adjustment translates into the number of
    35:42 hashes required to mine a block, it is
    35:45 again, I think it’s 2 to the 32nd.
    35:48 whichever one lands you close to 4.3
    35:50 billion. I think it’s two to the to the
    35:52 two, excuse me, two to the 32nd power.
    35:55 But anyway, um so you can look up the
    35:58 difficulty adjustment and if it’s 112
    35:59 trillion, then you know that it is 112
    36:02 trillion times harder to mine a Bitcoin
    36:04 block than it was when the Bitcoin
    36:06 network launched. Um, it also means
    36:09 that, you know, on average they’re going
    36:11 to have to guess 112 trillion times, 4.3
    36:15 billion times before they mine a block,
    36:17 which happens about every 10 minutes.
    36:19 And uh, anyway, again, there is a
    36:21 mathematical, you know, formula between
    36:23 the two because the the uh, difficulty
    36:25 adjustment is set based on hash rate.
    36:28 It’s set based on how uh every 20 2
    36:32 sorry every 20 2016 blocks which is
    36:36 every two weeks uh 216 * 10 minutes is 2
    36:40 weeks. So every 2016 blocks uh the
    36:43 Bitcoin network determines how fast or
    36:45 slow the Bitcoin miners are mining
    36:47 blocks and it adjusts the difficulty
    36:49 adjustment to true it up to an average
    36:52 of 10 minutes. So obviously that
    36:54 difficulty adjustment has adjusted a
    36:56 gazillion times in the last 16 years and
    36:59 has gone from a difficulty adjustment of
    37:01 one literally one to 112 trillion. Um so
    37:06 but again there there’s a direct
    37:07 mathematical correlation between those
    37:09 but I don’t know what that math formula
    37:10 is because it’s not it’s sort of an
    37:13 indirect mathematical uh relationship.
    37:17 All right so that is the last question
    37:19 on my list. Um, so what does all this
    37:22 mean? Well, what it means is I did an
    37:24 insane amount of research, came up with
    37:26 every conceivable question I could to
    37:28 try to understand how Bitcoin works and
    37:30 whether it was a safe place to
    37:32 ultimately store 99% of my liquid net
    37:35 worth. The only thing else I own is less
    37:37 than 1% which is mostly Tesla and the
    37:41 remainder is illquid assets meaning not
    37:44 liquid assets like my stock in Prosper.
    37:47 Uh, but obviously that’s not liquid. I
    37:49 can’t buy groceries with illlquid stock
    37:51 and that will only become liquid, for
    37:53 example, if Prosper goes public on the
    37:56 stock market. So, um, what benefit is
    37:58 all this to you? I guess it’s that I’ve
    38:00 done an absolutely insane amount of due
    38:03 diligence to make sure every conceivable
    38:06 aspect of Bitcoin is rock solid,
    38:08 bulletproof, and the technical
    38:11 fundamentals are amazing. And the way
    38:13 Bitcoin works is, I mean, just an
    38:15 incredible breakthrough for humanity.
    38:17 And anyway, I’m just super impressed
    38:19 with everything about Bitcoin. So, uh,
    38:21 hopefully my due diligence helps you
    38:24 have confidence in Bitcoin, even if you
    38:25 don’t have time to do the same level of
    38:28 due diligence yourself. And I understand
    38:30 most people don’t have many thousands of
    38:33 hours to study this sort of thing uh,
    38:36 the way I do because I love this stuff
    38:38 and I basically listen to audio content
    38:41 constantly. Um, so anytime I’m not with
    38:45 my family or at church or working on
    38:47 Prosper, I’ve got headphones in and I am
    38:50 listening to podcasts, listening to
    38:51 books, uh, or using a texttospech app
    38:54 that, uh, reads me news articles, uh,
    38:58 PowerPoint presentations, PDFs, you name
    39:01 it. Any sort of written content that I
    39:03 find can be turned into audio content
    39:05 and can be piped into my ears to feed my
    39:08 brain. And so hopefully you can benefit
    39:11 from all of that. So uh those are my 18
    39:15 most burning questions that I had
    39:16 walking into Satoshi round table in
    39:19 February of 2023 about 2 years ago with
    39:22 the price of Bitcoin between 22,000 and
    39:24 20 $23,000 per coin. And those were the
    39:28 burning questions I had and I came away
    39:30 satisfied with the answers and
    39:32 ultimately ramped up the amount of
    39:35 Bitcoin I uh my net worth in Bitcoin
    39:37 from 60% to 80% and since then have
    39:40 ramped it up to above 99%. I hope all
    39:43 this is helpful. Have a great night
    39:45 everyone. Thanks.

INTERMEDIATE: Seventeen (17) questions I took to Satoshi Roundtable in Dubai in 2023, and the answers I got back on each of them. #bitcoin #dubai #hodl #blockchain #2023

**Originally recorded 3/30/25**

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